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tv   Anderson Cooper 360  CNN  May 8, 2013 1:00am-2:01am PDT

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good evening, everyone. we are live, tonight, from cleveland, ohio, where three women, who are missing for about a decade are finally free, after allegedly being held captive at that home across the street from where i'm standing, where you can see members of the fbi in hazmat suits investigating. here's what we have now. now, three suspects, former school bus driver, ariel castro and his two brothers are arrested, awaiting charges. they're set to be interviewed by investigators tomorrow. some neighbors say they are shocked by what happened. others say they called police after hearing things in the case. the fbi is searching the house
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for evidence right now. the police chief says it will be a few more days until the investigation inside the house on this block is compete. now, the amount of time that these women were missing it's simply extraordinary. hard to imagine for 9, 10, in 1 case, 11 years, families have been hoping, holding candlelight vigils, searching for these women. now that they've been found, it's amazing to see how close they were since being last season. lorraine avenue, the home they were found is just three miles away. that's how it started with their disappearance. now, we want to take a look at how it come. here's randi kaye. >> reporter: they were strangers for a decade. but they were united in fear. in 2002, michelle knight is the first to disappear. she was 21.
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how she was kidnapped is unclear according to various media reports. her mother said michelle loved animals and wanted to be a veterinarian. then, suddenly, she was gone. in april 2003, amanda berry vanishes after her evening shift at burger king. it's the eve of her 17th birthday. later this month, her family receives a phone call from amanda's cell phone. a man says he's taken her and she'll be home in a few days. in march 2004, a body of a teenage girl similar to amanda's description is found near san diego, california. dental records did not match. later that year on the montel williams show, a television psychic makes a grave prediction to her mother. >> do you think i'll ever see her again? >> in heaven, on the other side. >> reporter: meanwhile, another neighborhood girl goes missing. plucks off the same street as
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amanda and michelle. gina dejesus is taken while walking home from school. she is 14. a seventh grader in special education amanda's stories are featured on "america's most wanted." >> two attractive teenage girls. they disappear along the same busy avenue. what does it mean. >> reporter: in march 2006, amanda's mother dies of heart failure. relatives say she died of a broken heart. a couple years later, hunters find a body in a wisconsin creek matching amanda's description. it's another false lead. and last year, an inmate at lucasville prison, claim amanda's buried in a field. police find no evidence of the missing teen. with all three girls still missing, police get a hot tip in december 2006. they dig up a cleveland garage
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floor. another dead end. in 2008, authorities release this age-progression photo of gina. in 2009, two of the girls' families spotlight their cases on oprah. >> i'm not going to give up. >> reporter: amanda berry didn't give up. monday night, just before 6:00 p.m., a daring escape. neighbor charles ramsey says he sees amanda struggling to break free. >> i'm eating my mcdonald's. i come outside. i see this girl going nuts, trying to get out of a house. so, i go on the porch. i go on the porch. and she says, help me get out. i've been in here a long time. >> reporter: ramsey quickly gets her to a phone. it's the 911 call police and amanda's family have been waiting for.
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for ten years. >> i'm amanda berry. i've been missing for ten years. i'm free now. i'm amanda berry. i've been on the news for the last ten years. >> reporter: amanda is safe. but the other two are still inside. and their raptor is dangerously close. police come quickly to rescue the others. as for the men who allegedly kidnap them, police arrest three brothers, including ariel castro, a school bus drivers. police believe he is the only one who lives at the home. suddenly, after not being seen for ten years, amanda berry is in the spotlight. a hero, authorities say, who took a chance to bring herself and the others home. >> amanda is part of our family. and so, will michelle. michelle will be there with us through thick and thin for the rest of our lives. >> reporter: randi kaye, cnn. >> it is still so hard to believe for people in this neighborhood.
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and we've just seen fbi members, law enforcement, actually going underneath the front porch. taking out some of the lattice work. joining me is dan derose. what are you hearing from your sources in law enforcement? what are the latest developments. >> reporter: here, we have an incredible team of reporters. we're well-connected with the police department and sources. some of the latest information we're hearing, people at home are saying, how in the world can these women be held captive for ten years? one of the latest pieces of information we've been told, amanda berry, the woman you've seen in the picture in the hospital, she had been told, she gave birth to a 6-year-old daughter in that home while in captivity. she had been told, if the baby dies, you die. that was one of the reasons she was held captive. we're also hearing for many of the first years that they were in the home, there were chains being used. one room in particular was found with chains hanging from the ceiling.
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they were bound and gagged several times throughout the course of being held in that home. we're also hearing from a source that the man who was holding them there, ariel castro, would play this little dangerous game. that he would tell the women he was about to leave the home. and then he would wait. and if one of them tried to open that door, he would go in and attack them. that was one of the ways he was able to keep them there. we are also hearing from pretty well-placed sources that numerous times throughout this ten-year period that some of the women became pregnant, that they would be beaten, forcibly hit in the stomach to force a miscarriage. one of the reasons we're hearing that, they brought out cadaver dogs to search the backyard of that home. >> so, dan, i just want the be clear, this is based on you and your teams local law enforcement sources? >> that's correct. we have several law enforcement sources that have been in the
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community for years. very well connected and we're getting little pieces of information out from them. obviously, the interviews are being very slow. trying not to traumatize them any further than they've already been through. day let them spend last night with their family. we know they were released from the hospital this morning. but they have not yet gone to their homes in cleveland. we've been watching. we're not sure where they are, possibly a hotel, maybe a hospital, maybe a psychological research-type center. but at this point, no signs of them at their homes. >> at this point, when the police give the press conference this morning, they really didn't interview them much last night. their main focus was letting them reunite with their families. do we know, have they conducted interviews today at all? >> we haven't heard as much today. the news conference was this
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morning at 9:00 a.m. that's when they told us they were going to take the process slow. as we can imagine, there's been some sort of contact because, anderson, one of the main reasons here, in our jurisdiction here in cleveland, ohio, you can be held but only for 36 hours by police before they charge you. we are just past the 24-hour period that the three suspects have been held. somewhere in the next 12 hours they have to be officially charged. and we're waiting for that. investigators gave us all indication that will happen very soon. >> yeah. there's so many questions to be answered. dan derosa, i appreciate you joining us. thank you very much. we've been telling you about the neighbor, charles ramsey, who is one of the neighbors who noticed that amanda berry was screaming for help. his actions last night and actions of some of the neighbors have neighbors calling him a
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hero. he was surprised to find out what was going on at his neighbor's house. this is what he said last night. >> i've been here a year. i barbecued with this dude. we hit ribs and what not and listen to salsa music. you see where i'm coming from? i did not have a clue in a anybody was in that house or anybody else in there against their will. >> i just got back from interviewing charles ramsey a short time ago. you've been around year ago. >> yeah. >> you've seen ariel castro around. >> he was my neighbor. >> what was he like? >> cool. he wasn't no freak of nature. he was like me and you because he talked about the same things you talk about. you know what i mean? regular stuff. >> so, yesterday, what happened. >> i'm going to tell it all.
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around 3:00, i was on my porch. and the mailman put his mail in my mail. i looked at him, here is his mail. he comes home. couple minutes later, he pulled up. he checked the mailbox. i said, here's your mail. had the same conversation when i handed them the mail. they can't get it right. damn postal service. that's it. he left. i jumped on my bike. went to mcdonald's. came back home. in my house. but i'm in the living room. and i'm right by the front door. i'm looking out the front door. and, man, this girl screamed like a car had hit a kid, which made me, you know, stop eating. what the hell was that? so, when i got up, i saw this -- my neighbor across the street. he run across the street. i'm thinking, where are you going? ain't nobody next door. i just saw ariel leave.
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ain't nobody over there. heard that girl scream and sue him run across the street. and went outside. and wonder what he was doing. and the -- amanda says, i'm stuck in here. help get me out. he -- the guy that don't know english that well or punished. and said, it's a girl. that's all he did. here i come with my half-eaten big mac. and i look and i say, what's up? she says, i've been trapped in here. and he won't let me out. me and my baby. i'm trying to get the door open and can't. he torture chambered it some way, locked it up. i kicked the bottom of the door. she crawled out of it. she grabbed her baby, and threw me off. all right, fine. i have some girl and her kid. >> what did she look like? what was she wearing? >> jump suit. she had a white tank top on. mascara.
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she was well-groomed. like she didn't look like she was kidnapped. i'm in here trapped. you don't look kidnapped. maybe you have a boyfriend problem. but i'm thinking, i know who lives here. and he's 50-something. you can't be the boyfriend problem. maybe you're dating his son. >> and you had never seen her before. >> bro, that man, listen. never. that woman didn't come out of the house. the only kids that came out the house were two little girls. they played in the backyard. he had two dogs. and where i live, naturally, is next door. my bedroom was upstairs. i hear kids playing, i knew it was them. they do the same thing. play in the backyard for a couple of hours, go back in the house. same thing every day. the neighborhood knows them as grandchildren. no big deal.
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you got the grandkids over all the time. i thought. >> amanda berry then, what? asked to call 911? >> um-hmm. and i took her into my house. now, i'm nervous as hell. so, i'm fumbling with my phone. so, i finally did it right. she can't wait. and i don't blame her. so, what i do is tell her go a i cross the street and use their phone. now we're both calling 911. she get through. and i get through. she deals with a moron. and me, too. >> what do you mean about a moron? >> idiot. >> i heard the 9-1-1 call from her. the woman was hang up and wait for the police. >> really. how about stay on and i'll talk to you until they get there. >> right. >> that's charles ramsey. a lot more of my interview with charles ramsey after this break. so many questions to be heard here. also, a young woman along with
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heard her screaming. i'm eating my mcdonald's. i come outside. i see this girl going nuts, trying to get out of a house. so, i go on the porch. and she says, help me get out. i've been in here a long time. i figure it's a domestic
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violence dispute. how the door is, it's so much, a body can't fit through. only your hand. we kick the bottom. and she comes out with a little girl. and she says, call 911. my name is amanda berry. >> if not for the actions of charles ramsey and another neighbor that helped him, the three women would be in that house. here's more of my interview with charles ramsey. >> i got there so fast because i said moran. i said, hey, amanda berry is right in front of me right now. yeah? what's she got on? white tank top. nice tennis shoes. nice ponytail. what else? she's panicking, idiot. pit yourself in her shoes. i just said amanda berry. >> when you first saw her and she said the name amanda berry, it didn't register?
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>> no, i had forgot. bro, this is cleveland. since they haven't found that girl and i guess, stopped looking for that girl, we figured that girl met her demise. so, berry didn't register with me until i was on the phone, wait a minute. i thought this girl was dead. >> what does it feel like to have been living next to this for a year? >> see, that's why now i'm having trouble sleep. see, up until yesterday, the only thing that kept me from losing sleep was the lack of money. do you understand what i'm saying? >> um-hmm. >> so, now that that's going on, and i could have done this last year, not this hero stuff, just do the right thing. >> do you feel like a hero? >> no, no. bro, i'm a christian and an american. and i'm just like you. we bleed the same blood. put our pants on the same way.
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it's just that you got to put that being a coward and i don't want to get in nobody's business, you've got to put that away for a minute. >> you know how it is. a lot of people turn the other way. >> you've got to have some cojohes on this planet. >> has the fbi said anything about a reward or anything? >> i'll tell you what to do. you give it to them. folks been following this case since last night, if you've been following me since last night, you know i've got a job anyway. i just went and picked it up. paychecks. what's that address say? >> i don't have any glasses. i'm blind. >> 2203 seymore. right next door to this paycheck. so, yeah, take that reward and give it to -- that little girl came out of the house and she was crying. and i'm looking at her.
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i'm like your momma is trying to help you. she said i want my daddy. i said who is her daddy. she said ariel. i said how is that possible. if you got kidnapped, he was having sex with you? oh, jesus -- that little girl is his. now we want to hurt you. >> you felt that. >> bro, this would be a different interview. if we had known that, man, i'd be facing triple life. >> wow. i'm glad it turned out this way. that's charles ramsey. there are questions about whether there are signs that something was wrong in this neighborhood. and one incident that could have been a missed opportunity, police were called to that home in 2004, to investigate a complaint against ariel castro, a school bus driver, who left a
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child on the school bus. investigators knocked on the door, did not make contact are him. and the matter was dropped when investigators decided he didn't have criminal intent in that incident. a few neighbors called police after hearing yelling outside of the house. a neighbor called the police after seeing a naked woman in the backyard. what did the neighbor say? >> she lives about three doors down. she's known him for years. over the years, she thought he was a normal guy. and two years ago, this sort of unusual circumstance happened. let's hear her describe it. >> when me and my friends and my sister were across the street at a house, like spending the night. we saw a naked lady in the yard. he told her to get down. and we said something to him. he told her to get in the house. and he ran behind the cars and got in the house.
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>> so, what was she doing? >> she was just walking around. >> and naked? >> yeah. and we thought that was weird. >> what sort of came to your mind? >> we thought it was funny at first. and we thought it was weird. so, we called the cops. >> and then what happened. >> they thought we were playing and joking. they didn't believe us. when we saw the lady, like -- and after that, a week or two after, she put tarps up. he totally secluded his house. >> and you saw the tarps from where? >> i could see from my bedroom window. >> you could see it? >> i think the police maybe took them down. he would open the window for an hour or two. and she would just sit there and
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look out the window. and he would come back and close the window. we don't know what happened to her the rest of the day. and like, he just had the windows boarded up. everything was closed. one time, he led us up to the front door, to go get popsicles, or candy or something like that. he didn't let us in the house ever. >> i point point out, she didn't want her face shown. she says it's essential that the police didn't take her call seriously. >> she and her friend called police and they thought they were joking. and you know, we've talked with police. and they say at this point, they're just really investigating all potential calls that may have come in around this house. but they're not specifically referencing what she told us. >> it's interesting. you pointed this out to me. when you look at this house, the windows on the ground floor, at least on this side, are boarded up with wood. but that doesn't really raise suspicion because there's a number of houses here that also have that same -- the windows are boarded up. >> it's like all of the houses here kind of look similar.
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so, many of the neighbors were saying, you put up boards on your windows. it's not considered a big deal. >> the houses are really close to each other. and it looks like the house next door, i mean, it's got -- both the houses have a lot of boarded-up windows. >> pretty much every house on this street has a boarded up window. neighbors were saying they may have seen interesting things along the way. but they never thought it would lead to something like this. >> and obviously, that woman believed that if police had taken her call more seriously, this may have unraveled sooner. >> she says they should have taken her call seriously. it was unusual to see a naked woman in the backyard. when they called over there, the suspect, she claims started yelling at the woman. it was one of those moments where you feel very uncomfortable. >> appreciate your reporting. we're going to be talking to a number of people from this community a little later on. we'll talk to a detective from the police department to see what she says, from the cleveland police department.
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why didn't the 911 operator stay on the phone with a frantic amanda berry when she called for help moments after escaping the home? that was one of the things charles was talking about earlier. we'll try to get answers on that, next.
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welcome back. we've got some breaking news to report. cnn is projecting that mark sanford will win the open congressional seat. sanford is the former governor who resigned after an extramarital affair became public. a big win for him. back here in cleveland, the frantic 911 call that brought police to the house behind me here is gripping.
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amanda berry's fear and emotion is palpable. let's play some of the 911 call. >> okay. stay there with those neighbors. talk to the police when they get there. >> okay. >> okay. talk to the police when they get there. >> okay. hello? >> yeah. talk to the police when they get there. >> okay. are they on their way right now. >> we're going to send them as soon as we get a car open. >> i need them now, before he gets back. >> all right. we're sending them. okay? >> appreciate you being with us. a busy day for you. that 911 call, it has gotten some criticism because the operator didn't stay on the line. is that something that's under review? >> that is something that the division is looking into at this time. but really, the bottom line in that call, the call taker was able to get the information that was needed. a call was dispatched within 18 seconds. and then, a zone car arrived on
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scene in under two minutes. really, time wasn't a factor. and what needed to be done was done. >> there's obviously a lot about the investigation you're not going to be able to talk about. i'm not going to put you on the spot a lot. is there anything you can tell us about what you've seen today on how things are going over there? >> currently we have with us the federal bureau of investigation. they have the entire evidence response team for this area on scene. and they are responsible for all of the evidence gathering and collection. >> all the folks in the white suits, that's fbi. >> the fbi has that entire scene, the cleveland division of police is in full partnership with the fbi. they have the entire house and the scene under their control at this time. >> and this may take several days to process everything. >> this is just the tip of the iceberg. >> there was one thought that
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ariel castro could have other properties. >> there's a possibility that other properties could be searched. i don't have information that that is happen agent this time. >> local news has reports that some chains were found inside. that according to their sources in law enforcement, there may have been multiple pregnancies that were terminated. can you confirm any of that? >> i can't comment on those facts of the investigation. there's evidence inside that links back to some things that the girls had to say to investigators. >> have there been more interviews with the young women today? in the press conference this morning police were careful to say that last night their focus was allowing the families to reunite and they want to take this slowly and methodically. and some experts are coming in. do you know if interviews have undergone today? >> there were interviews conducted with the young ladies today. >> it's within 36 hours of arrest that the charges have to be brought? >> typically, our protocol with
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the cleveland police and the municipal court. but the federal mandate is that we file within 48 hours. and the federal judge did extend for us to have the entire charge period, the full 48 hours in this case. >> does that guarantee that charges would -- i'm not sure when exactly the clock starts ticking. charges will be brought by tomorrow? >> by the time they're booked. by some time tomorrow evening. >> and do you -- do you know, have the suspects been interviewed? there was a report out from law enforcement that they're going to be interviewed tomorrow. have the interviews taken place? >> they're expecting to interview the suspects tomorrow. >> are they being cooperative? >> i don't believe they've been interviewed yet. >> is there anything else you can tell us about what you found in there, about -- >> i would just like to reiterate that this kind of situation just brings to mind like how important it is, the
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partnership between the police and the community. when you have things like this, everything comes together. things get done, when people get involved and they make that call. and they come together. you know, we have hotlines set up if anyone has information, if they feel like they knew something in the past and they want to come forward and talk to us, you can call the fbi or call the cleveland division of police. and all leads are investigated. >> it is great to see people, rather than turning a blind eye, going to help their neighbors. >> absolutely. and i think in this case, the gentleman, mr. ramsey, that came to help and was really a hero, and obviously amanda. amanda berry was a hero in this case. she got involved. and she got herself out of a situation. she's a very, very brave young woman. >> jennifer, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. the case of ashley summers ahead. you may not know her name. she's another young woman who disappeared here. there may be, it's possible, some sort of link to the disappearances of the two women
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found inside, 2207 seymour avenue. the step grandmother points me ahead. she is hopeful for any information.
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welcome back. we're live in cleveland. the discovery in that white house behind me, has given hope to a family of a fourth missing woman. her name is ashley summers. when her family saw her six
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years ago, she was 14 years old. she lived blocks from amanda berry. and the fbi believes the cases are linked. gary tuchman has more. >> reporter: the question has always loomed over the disappearance of 14-year-old ashley summers. was her case related to the case of amanda berry and gina dejesus. jennifer aiken is with the center for exploited and missing children. >> we did, in fact, believe that there was an association between these cases. the bury case and the dejesus case, as well as another case, the ashley summers case. >> reporter: ashley's family believed that, too. debbie summers is ashley's aunt. when you got the word that three women had been found, you initially thought it was ashley. >> yeah, i did. >> reporter: and were you excitedly talking with other family members?
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>> i called my mom. i called my sisters. i called everybody. >> reporter: it must have been crushing when you found it it wasn't? >> it was. >> reporter: it was july 9th, 2007. ashley summers had moved into a home on this block, where her aunt and uncle lived. family members said she had an argument with her mother and took all of her clothes out of the house. the assumption was she had run away. but as days and weeks went on, her family members got frantic. has it always been your thought that she is being held by somebody? >> yes. >> reporter: about one month after the 14-year-old disappeared, her mother received a phone call from her, where ashley said she was okay. everyone in the family was relieved. but then, they never heard from her again. ashley's mother, jennifer, was on "oprah" in 2009, and said she drew inspiration from the story of jaycee dugard who was kidnapped and found 18 years later.
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this is an age-progression picture today. ashley, who would be 19, wasn't rescued monday night. but aunt debbie has faith. amanda berry made clear she knew she was the subject of news reports. she was watching tv. it's possible your niece is watching tv. what would you like to say to her. >> i love you, ashley. please, come home. i miss you. i love you and i miss you so much. i'll never give up on you. never. >> gary tuchman joins me now. let's be clear about this. law enforcement believes it's possible there's some connection to these cases. but they have no proof of that. >> reporter: no proof right now. >> and the family is hoping there is some connection. but a relative of hers actually
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believes she saw her. >> reporter: seven months after ashley disappeared, her step grandmother was driving down the street three miles from her house and was sure she saw ashley. she was going the wrong direction in her car. she started heading back towards ashley. and she disappeared. and not one member of the family has seen her since. but i will tell you, this family has hope. and they have hope because of the three women who got out of this house last night. they one of those three women has some information about their loved one. >> gary, appreciate it. next month is going to be ashley's 20th birthday. if you have any information about the whereabouts of ashley, call the number, 216-623-5005. as i said, next month will be ashley's 20th birthday. her step grandmother, linda summers joins me now. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> what's the last 24 hours been
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like for you? >> i just gushed into tears. just overwhelmed with emotion. hoping one would be ashley. and if nothing else, they would know where she is or heard of her or seen her. >> obviously, law enforcement says they're taking the investigation slowly. taking the interview process slowly. they haven't said anything to you about anything these young women have said. >> no. not yet. we have not heard anything. >> you actually believe you saw ashley about seven months after she first disappeared. >> yes. yes. >> what did she -- did she look different? >> the only thing that might have been different about her was her hair was cut short and dyed blonde. but pretty much, that was it. and i really believe it was her because the girl was just staring into our car like she recognized our car. and just staring at us. and like i said, by the time i got turned around, she had disappeared down an alley. >> initially, the thinking was she left of her own accord. >> exactly. >> there was issues that she was
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facing. >> right. >> but then, what do you think in your gut happened? >> my big thing is i really believe she was picked up for trafficking. human trafficking. i think she's a victim of human trafficking of some form. and just everything that, all of the background on her and the neighborhood and things, just really point to a strong human trafficking tie. >> you believe she's still alive? >> i believe she's still alive. i have to hope that she's still alive. >> how do you get through just not knowing? >> a lot of prayers. >> and last night on the program we put her photo up. because it is a time when it gets national attention. and you hope that for somebody else to do what charles ramsey did and reach out with some information. >> exactly. that's what we're looking for. one more good hero, good samaritan that's going to interview and say, i've seen here.
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i know her. i know where she's at. let her family have the same joy as these other familie. >> do you think it's possible she still is here locally. >> anything's possible, unfortunately. at one point, until yesterday, i thought maybe she may be a couple hours away. detroit is a place where they take a lot of girls traffic. and they move them around. now, it could be anywhere. >> yeah. >> it could be anywhere. >> i'm so sorry for what you're going through. >> i appreciate you having us. >> i hope this does some help. >> i do, too. >> thank you. appreciate it. i wish you the best. if you have any information about ashley summers, call the cleveland police department. up next, in her own words. elizabeth cho, who survived a ten-day kidnapping ordeal in 2006, when she was 14 years old. how she managed to stay alive. this is a remarkable young
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with the euphoria of the freedoms aside, the three women who were found here will begin the process of recovery. one young woman who knows what they're going through, is elizabeth smart. she was abducted at 14, held for 9 months. she offered this advice. >> first of all, i want them to know that, nothing that has happened to them will ever diminish their value. and it should never hold them back from doing what they want to do. they should still follow their dreams. follow the live that they wanted to have. they should still be able to have that. i also want them to know that they don't need to ever feel pressured. take as much time as they need. and if they never decide to share their story, that would be okay, too. >> one other young woman who also survived a violent kid snapping is elizabeth show. she was abducted by a neighbor in south carolina back in 2006. she was just 14 years old.
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she was abused, terrorized for ten days before she managed to escape. she was kept in an underground bunker. i spoke with her a short time ago. you were taken by a man who was posing as a police officer. he locked you into a pit that he had built in the ground on his property. and for ten days, you were held. we have pictures of the pit where you were held. it was very small. hardly any light in the middle of the woods. how do you get through those days? >> how i survived, mainly prayer, hope, and just seeing my family on the news begging for me, knowing and hoping that i'll see them again. just keeping faith kept me strong. >> but he had explosives that i read that he put on you when he would leave to make sure you didn't escape. he was sexually assaulting you
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throughout the days. how -- how did you ultimately figure out a way to survive? how do you ultimately figure out a way to get through it? you were very clever. all of the police say how extraordinarily smart you were in how you, essentially, manipulated him. >> in the beginning, of course, i could only take everything how it was. whether he sexually was assaulting me or whether he based a bomb around my neck. the only way to keep it as nonsevere as possible was to agree and do what he said. if he told me to sit still and don't speak a word, then that's what i would do. i learned the nicer i was to him, the nicer he was to me. so, to say that i enjoyed the sexual abuse made it much easier on me than as forceful as it could have been.
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>> and he started to believe you. he started to believe that maybe he could actually have a life with you, correct? >> he did begin to believe me. i would tell him that i liked it. and i would say i love you. he would say he loved me back. he would make plans for us to eventually move away to some other state together. >> and finally, you were able to get his phone. how did you do that? in the beginning, i noticed that he would use his cell phone to talk to his girlfriend. and of course, i wouldn't dare touch it or go near it. but of course, i couldn't, either way, because i was chained to the bed. but as i gained his trust, he would not chain me anymore. and i would then send text messages to my mother as to where i was, who i was with, to
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immediately get help. >> you knew pretty much you were on your own. and you had to come out with your own solution to get yourself out of there. and so, sending those text messages, police were able to kind of able to triangulate the area that you were being held in. but it was really -- the news finally broke. and you were watching tv with him. what happened then? >> it was a friday night. and the searching for me had died down very much. but that friday morning, afternoon, we noticed helicopters were out. and people were walking around more. so, we cut the television on to see what's going on. of course, he being very scared and me being very hopeful that somebody found something. but i ended up convincing him to leave, that if he stayed, the police would catch him. but if he leaved, then i could
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run away with him later on once the searching died down for him. >> so, you're 21 years old. you graduated college. you have a profession. i'm so glad things are good for you. and i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us, elizabeth. thank you. >> yes, sir. thank you. >> she is a remarkable young woman. her recommendations for the three women found yesterday is to rely on your family, spend time with them and try to rebuild your life with them. we'll be right back. >> announcer: you never know when, but thieves can steal your identity and turn your life upside down. >> hi. >> hi. you know, i can save you 15% today if you open up a charge card account with us. >> you just read my mind. >> announcer: just one little piece of information and they can open bogus accounts, stealing your credit, your money and ruining your reputation. that's why you need lifelock to relentlessly protect what matters most... [beeping...] helping stop crooks before your identity is attacked. and now you can have the most
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